John Reels’ Sales Bully
June 26, 2007 – 6:48 pm
It seems to me like SalesBully will be all about psychological tricks to persuade people into buying your stuff. There’s no secret to the fact that you can make people buy your products by instilling some fear into them by telling them that they will fail miserably in their ventures without your product, that they will go broke or die if they don’t start using the tactics in your guide/report and what-not.
From what I can make of the salespage, John does this by presenting you with a number of “facts”. Like how they used the system to sell out their last product, “GoTryThis” in 7 days, how everyone who tested the system increased their conversion rates by up to 400% (or something, i didn’t really take much notice), and how, basically, you will be overrun by your competition if you don’t buy it.
He uses a bunch of javascript and css-tricks to instill a sense of urgency, and tells you that just because you’re you, you can have this fantastic, “can’t live without it, don’t leave home without it” product for only $177 instead of the real price $297.
I’m not falling for that. There are lots of great guides on how to persuade visitors into buying, and if I buy those I won’t have to shell out $177 and give John my ftp-details.
If you purchase his system, tell me how you liked it. Hopefully it’s more unique than GoTryThis “blackhat” (overpriced piece of junk) 
7 Responses to “John Reels’ Sales Bully”
Hi Bjorn,
I have to say that you’re right. What I don’t get is just how he would consider himself an expert in the first place. Before GoTryThis (which his system did very little for creating those sales numbers) launched, he was a complete unknown, till he came across Gina.
It was Gina’s work, which I helped with some, which created those sales numbers, not that piece of crap system he’s trying to sell.
When it was all said and done, John Reel ripped both me and Gina and who knows who else off, because it couldn’t track anything and kept breaking. So he didn’t pay as promised.
In my personal opinion, he oughta scrap it, and I’d love to hear anyone tell me that damn thing works with *anything* close to a straight face. Then I might not call them a liar. Or a guru-groupy, whichever is more appropriate.
I will say though, that other than the support not being what it should be on GoTryThis, the software does work as promised and it does some good things. I have the “blackhat” version (which calling it that was just playing on hype of the time), and I’m highly satisfied with it’s operation. But his affiliate software is just garbage.
He should just stick to improving on link cloaking, tracking and cookie software.
Peace & Prosperity,
J.D.
By Jamie on Dec 11, 2007
Jamie:
I still stick to my opinion about GoTryThis. The first warning is the fact that he releases one full and one crippled version and has the nerve to charge for the crippled version. It’s almost as if shareware-authors were to start charging for their trials. I just don’t see the point in releasing two versions. It’s bullshit.
As for the “Blackhat” thing, I think he sucks giant elephant balls on that one. Don’t ever put labels on things if you can’t live up to it. There’s nothing even remotely “black hat” about that script.
The whole “live tracking” thing with fancy flash is just too much. I don’t want no friggin flash graph I can sit and watch, I want numbers, and I want them fast.
I still stick to my opinion about GTT being an overpriced piece of junk-script
Besides, I think my own cloaker is better. It’s still in the pipeline as an alpha but it’ll be ready soon. A little self promotion is always good
By Bjorn on Dec 11, 2007
Bjorn, Hahaha! Well, I agree with all of your points, I wasn’t looking at it from that angle at the moment I wrote that. As a functional piece of software, it does work, and it does give me the proper numbers. It also gives me that silly graph, lol! But when it comes down to *some* of it’s functionality, you’re absolutely on-point, it doesn’t do *quite* what I’d have expected for the price.
I was lucky enough to not have to pay for it, and it serves my purposes. It tracks and cloaks my links, and where the traffic is coming from, and cookies related links I’ve told it to, when specific links are clicked. But I do feel for the people that bought it and expected it to do what he said it would do. I also agree that people that buy the half-assed (isn’t the whole thing kinda half-assed?) software, the “white-hat” version, getting only half it’s functionality for the price they paid, it’s totally not worth it.
Personally, I’d have *given* the white-hat version out, let people run it, test it, see how the limited version works, then turned around and sold the full blown version for the same price that he was selling the white-hat version… But then again, I’m not a money-grubbin *&%#-wad.
Which from a stand-point of gettin’ it done, it does it’s job. But yes, all that other hype etc. is no good. The thing about it being black-hat was that the cookies weren’t always above board. Meaning that a person could click one link and be cookied for another link they hadn’t even seen yet. But to me, that’s not black-hat, it’s just marketing strategy. It does smack of a slight bit unethical however. If that’s how you’re using it.
The thing had nothing to do with SEO, so where does the black-hat thing come in? I understand that point entirely. I don’t believe the term should be bandied about all willy-nilly like it can apply to anything somewhat shadowy, because I don’t believe it can be. I think it really belongs to the SEO category, and nowhere else.
And ya know what? I’d love to see your cloaker… Hell, I’d do an independent head to head test on both of them and see which one stacks up better in a review… With my chips on yours.
Of course, that’s some bias, considering I’ve never had an issue with you, and I really don’t like Mr. Reel… The guy ripped me off, so far as I’m concerned, and I dont’ take kindly ta gettin f^
By Jamie on Dec 11, 2007
Ha, I ran out of space… I don’t take kindly to gettin screwed without a wraparound. I don’t remember all else I wrote, but it was obviously long… So I’ll wrap it up and tell ya good night, I’m goin’ ta bed.
As far as self promotions concerned, isn’t that what it’s all about? I mean, seriously, if you don’t… o.O Then who else will? ;-} But in any case, I agree with all that, and now that we’ve shared rants, I’ll tell ya…
I’ll promote ya anytime. And not because we shared rants, but because I’ve always considered you to be a straight up guy. I like honesty in someone, even if it’s somewhat abrasive at times, not to say yours is, just sayin’. Sometimes, that’s the only way it’s taken seriously, unfortunately.
Peace & Prosperity,
J.D.
By Jamie on Dec 11, 2007
So far Sales Bully has been useless for me. It is much more technical than advertised. I’ve yet to get it to work.
The support/help page is set up like a forum but customers’ questions go unanswered for months.
Their is no support ticket system.
I have not yet received any replies to my requests for help via email.
Looks like $189 down the drain.
Mark
By Mark Worthen on May 15, 2008
Oh, I forgot to mention that the reason I didn’t receive an email response is that his email doesn’t work!
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at server2.thegreenwebhost.com.
I’m afraid I wasn’t able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I’ve given up. Sorry it didn’t work out.
:
this user is no longer available
By Mark Worthen on May 15, 2008
Hi Mark,
Well, I’m sorry you didn’t read my post back when SB was released :/
The whole point is this: You can’t trust any piece of software/script to do your magic for you. In this game, there’s only one area you should ever trust software/scripts to do your work for you, and that is in automating things. Automating FFA posting, automating blog posting etc. There’s no other area in which software will do the work for you.
In the salesletter for SB, John actually spilled the guts. It’s one of very few times the sales-letter has actually more or less “told” me to what to do.
Except of course for the fact I won’t pay for it. I refuse.
I believe your best bet is to demand a refund. Don’t feel bad about it, just ask for your money back. John hasn’t delivered, so you shouldn’t have to pay for it.
By Bjorn on May 15, 2008